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Questions For Muslims

September 9, 2011

In commemoration of 911, I have some theological questions for “radical” and “moderate” Muslims out there.

1. Why don’t you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity? Or at least, why don’t you believe this doctrine to be a possibility, even within your own religion? I’ve heard that Islam holds to a monad view of God, but is this backed by the Quran? To my knowledge, Muslims believe they can’t know any details about Allah’s nature. If so, why can’t it be a possibility that Allah is triune?

Here’s how I’m definig “Trinity”, or “triune”.

2. Muslims believe that Christianity is false because of the doctrine of the incarnation of Christ. It’s believed by Muslims that God could never take on additional human nature. But if Allah is God, and is all-powerful, could Allah if he so chose take on additional nature as a human?

NOW PLEASE TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS

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11 comments

  1. 1- It is clash with 1st Moses Ten Commandment
    2- There was no others prophet that claim them self God or have a prophecy that God come to earth.
    3- In Bible there was no word “Trinity” in any verse, it only assumption of corrupted scholar of Christian/Jews.
    4- Only Quran have word Trinity

    Chapter 4 : 171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

    Chapter 5: 73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

    “And most of them Believe not in Allah Without associating (others As partners) with Him!” [Al-Qur’an 12:106]

    Concept God in Islam

    “Say: He is Allah, The One and Only. “Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
    “He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.”[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

    “No vision can grasp Him But His grasp is over All vision: He is
    Above all comprehension, Yet is acquainted with all things.” [Al-Qur’an 6:103]

    “There is nothing whatever like unto Him.” [Al-Qur’an 42:11]

    “Allah is never unjust In the least degree.” [Al-Qur’an 4:40]

    “…my Lord never errs, nor forgets.” [Al-Qur’an 20:52]

    “Allah is the doer of all that He intends.” [Al-Qur’an 85:16]

    “Say: Call upon Allah, or Call upon Rahman: By whatever name you call Upon Him, (it is well): For to Him belong The Most Beautiful Names.” [Al-Qur’an 17:110]

    “Ar-Raheem”, the Most Merciful
    “Ar-Rahman”, the Most Gracious
    “Al-Hakeem”, the Most Wise

    “If there were, in the heavens And the earth, other gods Besides Allah, there would Have been confusion in both! But glory to Allah, The Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above What they attribute to Him!” [Al-Qur’an 21:22]

    “No son did Allah beget, Nor is there any god Along with Him: (if there were Many gods), behold, each god Would have taken away What he had created, And some would have Lorded it over others! Glory to Allah! (He is free) From the (sort of) things They attribute to Him!” [Al-Qur’an 23:91]

    “Say: ‘Who is it that Sustains you (in life) From the sky and from the earth? Or who is it that Has power over hearing And sight? And who Is it that brings out The living from the dead And the dead from the living? And who is it that Rules and regulates all affairs?’ They will soon say, ‘Allah’. Say, ‘Will you not then Show piety (to Him)?’ ” [Al-Qur’an 10:31]

    “If thou ask them, Who Created them, they will Certainly say, ‘Allah’: how Then are they deluded Away (from the Truth)?” [Al-Qur’an 43:87]

    “Allah forgives not That partners should be set up With Him; but He forgives Anything else, to whom He pleases; to set up Partners with Allah Is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”[Al-Qur’an 4:48]

    “Allah forgives not (The sin of) joining other gods With Him; but He forgives Whom He pleases other sins Than this: one who joins Other gods with Allah, Has strayed far, far away (From the Right).” [Al-Qur’an 4:116]

    Say: “O people of the Book! Come To common terms As between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; That we associate no partners with Him; That we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, Say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) Are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).” [Al-Qur’an 3:64]

    “And if all the trees on earth were pens And the Ocean (were ink), with seven Oceans behind it To add to its (supply), yet would not the Words Of Allah be exhausted (In the writing): for Allah Is Exalted in power, Full of Wisdom.” [Al-Qur’an 31:27]

    “O men! Here is A parable set forth! Listen to it! Those On whom, besides Allah, You call, cannot create (Even) a fly, if they all Met together for the purpose! And if the fly should snatch
    Away anything from them, They would have no power To release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition And those whom they petition!” [Al-Qur’an 22:73]

    Is it answer the question?


  2. Thanks Hifzan,

    That does help clarify some things for me. I wasn’t aware that the word “Trinity” was in the Quran. The verse you quoted does say not to refer to Allah as one in a Trinity so that does answer my first question. The problem I have with this is that what the Quran means by “trinity” isn’t what the Bible teaches about the nature of Christ. I’ll get to that below. Since you also quoted a lot of Scriptures alluding to Allah’s oneness I have another question for you.

    Could Allah possibly be defined as “triune” in the sense that my link defines “triune”? Is it even possible, and how do you know one way or the other?

    Also, do you have an answer for my 2nd question?

    Also, you raised some good arguments so please allow me to rebutt them.

    1- It is clash with 1st Moses Ten Commandment

    The OT says Yahweh is “echad”, or one, Deut 6:4 for example. However, the word “echad” doesn’t refer to a oneness in a monad sense, but rather a oneness that can have multiple parts, given the context. For example, Adam and Eve became echad, or one flesh, but that doesn’t mean they became only one person. Also, in Gen 1 there is night and day making echad, or one day. Yet, the one day is made up of multiple parts.

    Did you read my definition of “Trinity”? If so, you’ll see that it doesn’t contradict the 1st commandment. Jesus forgives sin, yet God alone can do that. Jesus is refered to 7 times in the NT with a definite article of being “the God”, NOT merely “a god”, Mat 1:23, John 5:18, John 20:28, Titus 2:13, Heb 1:8, 2 Pet 1:2, Rev 22:6,16. John 12:41, Rom 10:12-13, etc. refers to Jesus being Yahweh from the OT. Also Jesus is not “a” son of God, but is uniquelly called “the” Son of God, giving him a name of pre-minence, not geneology. Especially in John 1:49 Jesus is called “the Son of God” but also “the king of Israel”, and only Yahweh is the “king of Israel” in Zeph 3:15. John 5 and Rev 19 also shows that Jesus is the final Judge of every person, and will return with eyes of blazing fire to judge all secret and obvious sins.

    The Quran says Jesus is a mere “rasul”, yet a rasul can’t return with eyes of blazing fire to judge all the secrets of men (Rom 2:16), can it? And the Quran commands you to believe the gospels right? Yet, the gospels teach that Jesus is the final judge. How do you reconcile these?

    2- There was no others prophet that claim them self God or have a prophecy that God come to earth.

    Of course no prophets claimed to be God, because they weren’t. Jesus didn’t claim to be a mere prophet, either. The OT prophets were a type and shadow of what Christ is the fulfillment of. The prophets many times refer to Christ’s work, i.e. Isa 53, Daniel 9. Psa 110:1 and Mat 22:44 also shows that David understood that someone would decend from him but also be Lord over him. That can only make sense if Jesus is Yahweh. God being on earth isn’t a foreign Jewish concept. It was God walking in the garden with Adam, and God coming to Abraham, etc. The Jews also understood a concept called the “shekinah” of God, which means the part of God which enters into creation and interacts with it. That’s Jesus Christ. He is the Shekinah of God.

    The Shekinah of God is the perfect Savior for sin, and the eternal King. The Jews were self-righteous through the law and didn’t want a Savior but only wanted an earthly king. But the law actually condemned them since they can’t uphold it perfectly (not of us can), and got a better king, one who is God himself. All Jews and non-Jews who call upon Jesus Christ and put their faith in his Lordship will be saved from the wrath to come for our lawlessness.

    3- In Bible there was no word “Trinity” in any verse, it only assumption of corrupted scholar of Christian/Jews.

    Here’s the inconsistency, which I see so often in the Muslim world. Yes, the Bible doesn’t have the word “trinity”, yet neither is the Quran explicit on whether or not Muhammad took a night flight to Jerusalem. If you’re going to use that as a standard, then you refute yourself. “Trinity” was supposedly coined by Tertullian. Since you get to consult your Scripture for your doctrine, then so do I. The NT quotes OT passages about Yahweh and refers them to be Jesus, there are 7 places in the NT with a definite article making Jesus “the God”. This is why the Nicean Creed was formed 3 centuries even before the Quran, and why since the early church the deity of Christ has been strongly believed.

    4- Only Quran have word Trinity

    The Quran actually doesn’t even address the concept of the nature of Christ as the Bible gives. It seems to mostly assume Jesus’ nature to only be finite and to be a seperate being from God’s being, but Scripture doesn’t teach that, hence why the creeds never taught that. From what I’ve heard, Muhammad never read the NT, or very much of it, when writing the Quran. This might be why Muslims reject the “Trinity”. They reject it based on what the Quran tells them (which came 600 years later). They don’t reject it based on what the NT concludes. They reject the doctrine because of thier assumptions and misconceptions of the Trinity which seem to come from the Quran, not the Bible as a whole. You wouldn’t like it if I interpreted the Quran through the lens of the Bible. Yet Muslims get to be inconsistent and interpret the Bible through the lens of the Quran. Another inconsistency of the Muslim world.

    So the “trinity” isn’t the assumption of bad scholars. It’s actually been believed for 600 years prior to the Quran. It’s the Quran that does a bad job of interpreting what came before it, the OT and NT, that creates the Muslim’s misunderstanding and rejection of it.


  3. I think I know where you got the stories; it was Pussy in the Boot, once giant become a rat, the pussy cat eat him. You make you God your test rat lab. May God lead you the way.

    Islam have close all the gate of Trinity in our faith. There were no way Trinity become Islamic creed.

    There was a false religion that named “Nation of Islam” in America that particularly lead by black man. There also have incarnation God named Master W. Fard Muhammad and living prophet is Elijah Muhammad.

    In Jews there was “Son of God” named Uzair/Bene Elohim (Arabic/Hebrew) and Jesus (Christian), or pharaoh (in Ancient Egypt), Buddha/ancestor (Buddhism). All them self declare God or declared by their follower. So Which one is true? The problem that keep repeating again and again. This is monotheism not polytheism.

    Today if someone go and shot W.Fard, there will be another God die, Buddha die, Jesus die, pharaoh die, Uzair die. So where the God The All Mighty? The All Mighty is void by saying human is God.

    “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints” [1 Corinthians 14:33]. If Christian can be confuse with trinity doctrine, another verse in Bible is void.

    It just simple as that.

    Another verse

    Peter said: “God raised up his servant…” (Acts 3:26)
    “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).
    “…your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.” (Acts 4:27).
    “Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.” (Acts 5:42).
    “We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus…” (Acts 5:29-30).
    “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.” (Acts 2:22).

    If I take above verse in Bible as my point, that Jesus is Messiah/prophet. I also right and can not be wrong because in Bible, Jesus is declared as servant, anointment, Christ (prophet) and “God did among you through him” which tally with Islamic creed, Isa (Jesus) son of Mary who being birth without father is a prophet of God.


  4. Actually not only Islam reject the trinity doctrine, Jews also rejected the trinity, and Christian keep leaving the Christian religion because of trinity doctrine.

    The interpretation of Son of God may be like this:
    Son of God is accepted, while “God the Son” is not. But most people like to understand the statement as “God the Son”.

    Adam child; with plural
    Ge. 6:2 ,Ge. 6:4 the sons of God

    David as The Son;
    1 Chro, 17:13: I will be his Father, and he shall be my Son;
    1 Chro, 22:10: He shall be my Son, and I will be his Father

    Solomon as The Son:
    1 Chro, 22:6 -for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father.

    Concept of God is Trinity, God is Son, Shekinah of God and others concept mention by you is slash by Allah in His statement in one verse.:
    “Say: He is Allah,
    The One
    and Only.
    “Allah, the Eternal,
    Absolute.
    “He begets not,
    nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him.”[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

    Even his concept is All Hearing – not mean He have ear like human
    Even his concept is All Seeing – not mean He have eye like human
    Even his concept is walking – not mean He have foot like human
    That is concept of God is Almighty.

    “No vision can grasp Him But His grasp is over All vision: He is
    Above all comprehension, Yet is acquainted with all things.” [Al-Qur’an 6:103]

    If you compare earth with universe, earth is just like a dust, and in earth there was atom. Which smaller than hair.
    If I make a comparison, atom to dust, dust human, human to earth, earth to solar system, solar system to solar interstellar neighborhood, solar interstellar neighborhood to milky way Galaxy, Milky Way Galaxy to others galaxy, galaxy to universe, Universe to Unknown, Unknown to Kingdom of God.

    I do not know how many super super super super small we in front of God. Yet He can manage His kingdom with a great precision.

    “Allah is never unjust In the least degree.” [Al-Qur’an 4:40]
    “…my Lord never errs, nor forgets.” [Al-Qur’an 20:52]

    Meaning that if human want to think beyond something He not allowed then you will be lost. Because He is Knowledgeable and you dont.

    “And if all the trees on earth were pens And the Ocean (were ink), with seven Oceans behind it To add to its (supply), yet would not the Words Of Allah be exhausted (In the writing): for Allah Is Exalted in power, Full of Wisdom.” [Al-Qur’an 31:27]


  5. Hifzan,

    Wow, you haven’t even begun to deal with 1/10 of my arguments. Allow me touch on the few arguments you did raise:

    Islam have close all the gate of Trinity in our faith. There were no way Trinity become Islamic creed.

    Why? Have you looked at how I and many prominant Christians define “trinity” yet? Since the Quran doesn’t explicitly reject this definition, then how are you so certain that Allah’s nature can’t be similar?

    The All Mighty is void by saying human is God.

    Again, Islam mis-represents the Trinity and the doctrine of the Incarnation because it doesn’t look at Scripture consistently, or as a whole, but only keeps looking at the misconceptions that the Quran has about Christ. Phil 2 clearly teaches that God took on additional nature as a man, NOT that God stopped being God and became a man. Again, this was clarified at Chalcedon about 200 years before Islam was even a religion, yet the Muslim world missed it, and still hasn’t figured it out for about another 1,400 years. You still haven’t answered my second question. If Allah is all-powerful, could he take on additional nature as a human if he wanted?

    “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints” [1 Corinthians 14:33]. If Christian can be confuse with trinity doctrine, another verse in Bible is void.

    You’re only being a Bible reader, not a Bible student. If I treated the Quran this way you’d get mad. You want the Quran to be read in context and taken as a whole, thus the Bible must. The context of this verse is about people in the church preaching and speaking languages that no one understands. It has nothing to do with us being able to wrap our minds around God’s eternal nature! You can’t fully understand Allah’s nature. You can’t even fully understand your own nature! Yet, you try to assume we can fully understand Yahweh! You’re very inconsistent.

    “God raised up his servant…” (Acts 3:26)
    “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).
    “…your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.” (Acts 4:27).
    “Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.” (Acts 5:42).
    “We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus…” (Acts 5:29-30).
    “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.” (Acts 2:22).

    My friend, you’re doing the same thing to the Bible that you would NEVER allow me to do to the Quran, and that is taking only a few verses and refusing to reconcile those verses with OTHER verses! If you would reconcile all the verses you quoted above, which never explicitly say Jesus isn’t God by the way, with the verses I quoted above that explicitly say he is God, you’d be foreced to no longer be a Muslim. But it’s because you treat the Bible so horrible that you’re still a Muslim. The Mormons, and the JW’s do the same thing to the Bible, and now you’re acting just like them.

    Concept of God is Trinity, God is Son, Shekinah of God and others concept mention by you is slash by Allah in His statement in one verse.:
    “Say: He is Allah,
    The One
    and Only.
    “Allah, the Eternal,
    Absolute.
    “He begets not,
    nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him.”[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

    How are you defining “begotten”? The only reference towards Christ in the Bible of being “begotten” is Psa 2:7. When this verse is quoted in the NT and applied to Jesus it’s NEVER in connection with his birth, but always in connection with him as risen Lord. Jesus is begotten of the Father in the sense that he’s risen Lord in redemptive history, yet from God’s eternal perspective it’s that way all the time. God uses language in Scripture which is finite language so as to communicate to us in history as finite creatures, but also communicates eternal truths as well. Again, if you interpret “begotten” consistently with how Scripture does, then you’d see that it’s the Muslim world and the Quran that has the problem of mininterpreting what came 600 years earlier. It’s YOUR problem, NOT Scriptures.

    Even his concept is All Hearing – not mean He have ear like human
    Even his concept is All Seeing – not mean He have eye like human
    Even his concept is walking – not mean He have foot like human
    That is concept of God is Almighty.

    Again, John 1:-14 teaches that Jesus is eternal, created all things, yet took on additional nature out of humility and humbleness for a time. Now he has eyes of fire ready to judge everyone, Rev 19:11-20. A rasul CANNOT fit the definition that Scripture gives in the gospels. Thus, the Quran is in error about the nature of Christ. The Quran doesn’t critique Scripture, it critiques its assumptions about Scripture. Could Allah, being all-powerful, take on additional human nature if he wanted? Yes or no… I’m still waiting. If you say “no” then my God is more powerful than yours. If you say “yes” then you should no longer be a Muslim.

    The Quran requires you to believe the gospels, yet the gospels teach that Jesus is eternal (John 1:1), created all things imaginable (John 1:3), can forgive sin (Mark 2:7), is God (Mat 1:23, John 20:28), took on additional nature as a human for a time (John 1:14), raised himself from the dead (John 2:19), will return with eyes of blazing fire to judge every secret and obvious sin (John 5), and you only believe he is a rasul. Yet a rasul could NEVER do these things.


  6. My friend, you’re doing the same thing to the Bible that you would NEVER allow me to do to the Quran, and that is taking only a few verses and refusing to reconcile those verses with OTHER verses!

    It fair! So explain to me how you going to explain between Jesus is Servant and Jesus is God. So the 14 verse is become harmony – It 7 verse servant vs. 7 verses God. It 50% 50% chance.

    Book of God shall not have any mistake especially regarding Godly Issue. That is my self creed. It shall be perfect, FIRM regarding who is God,and avoid the confusing doctrine issue. If God is confuse the define who is himself, then it not justify for myself to define him as God. – That is my opinion.

    I would like to hear from you.
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    Why? Have you looked at how I and many prominant Christians define “trinity” yet?

    1st – We not Christian, we do not require to read Bible to explain the Quran.

    Chapter 4 : 171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

    Chapter 5: 73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

    That is a direct sentence to argue about Trinity. I think I answer the thing very clearly.

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    If Allah is all-powerful, could he take on additional nature as a human if he wanted?

    He not required to show Himself as human being, if you want to ask further, may be you can raise your hand to sky, and ask Him directly. May be He will give you a sign. I am not a God to answer the question on his behalf.

    And when Moosa (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by us, and his Lord spoke to him, He said: “O My Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You.” Allaah said: “You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain if it stands still In its place Then You shall see me.” so when his Lord appeared to the mountain , He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsa (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when He recovered his senses He said: “Glory be to you, I turn to You In repentance and I am the first of the believers.” [ Quran 7:143 ]

    I know the Bible have different understanding regarding what happen in Mount Sinai. As you ask Islam, I will answer as our answer.

    If God show Himself to mountain, then mountain is collapsed to dust. If God show Himself as human form, then All the thing that seeing him also collapsed to dust. You not going alive to tell the stories today.

    That how powerful is God.

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    Then how are you so certain that Allah’s nature can’t be similar?

    By His book, he explain the criteria/concept of His nature.

    “Say: He is Allah,
    The One
    and Only.
    “Allah, the Eternal,
    Absolute.
    “He begets not,
    nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him.”[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

    You can not imagine God, that His message, but He want you to see his Power, his Mighty, his Knowledge, his Wisdom.

    If you compare earth with universe, earth is just like a dust, and in earth there was atom. Which smaller than hair.
    If I make a comparison, atom to dust, dust human, human to earth, earth to solar system, solar system to solar interstellar neighborhood, solar interstellar neighborhood to milky way Galaxy, Milky Way Galaxy to others galaxy, galaxy to universe, Universe to Unknown, Unknown to Kingdom of God.

    “And if all the trees on earth were pens And the Ocean (were ink), with seven Oceans behind it To add to its (supply), yet would not the Words Of Allah be exhausted (In the writing): for Allah Is Exalted in power, Full of Wisdom.” [Al-Qur’an 31:27]


  7. I have missed some of your question.
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    How are you defining “begotten”?
    ““He begets not, nor is He begotten… The answer from God is very Firm in that verse.
    1. He does not create/giving birth to another God. Those absolutely cannot, why? Once it created, it becomes creation.
    2.He cannot be created by anything, because He is God, because if something is created God, automatically is He is Creation and not a God. So he cannot be created / being birth by other. He has already there absolutely finite and eternal.
    And we do not call God a creature. He cannot be created or create.
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    Being all-powerful, take on additional human nature if he wanted?

    Actually I want to add something of above statement, when Moses wants to see God; God show himself to mountain and the mountain vanished.

    I just want to give you example: Lion.
    If we stand in front of lion without any protection, can we look in lion eye?

    I will give another example: Wind (Tsunami) or Earthquake. If this being compressed to human form.
    If we stand in front of wind without any protection, can we stand with the pressure of wind , the vibration of earthquake?

    I just give another example: Sun;
    God have created many thing in this universe, I take the weakest system solar that have been created in universe. That mean Sun. If Sun being compressed to human form, can we look at him (Sun), with his brightness, hot, gravity and powerful? Can we stand in front of compressed sun? No, we cannot, we poured instantly. That is the one of weakest Star in whole universe.

    Above is just a single mighty – Lion (Danger, Furious), Wind (pressure), Earthquake (vibration), Sun (Temperature, Gravity and etc) now we will go to All Mighty which is consist everything and anything that you can not ever imagine.

    Now you are talking about God, a Creator of creation and You think you can stand in front of him.

    If can! I think you should declare yourself a God.

    Don’t ever mock the God, or you will be doomed. If we can see ants and squeeze it. God can do more than that.

    Imagine God seeing from His Kingdom to our earth and see every movement that we do. While we need to have super telescope that just can see planet Pluto.

    As a science student, to understand this concept, I will feel fear. Don’t you notice?

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    I want to ask you something, if this kind of God, do He required another kind of form to perform His Godly duty?


  8. Your arguments make no sense and you haven’t even begun to deal with my arguments.

    It fair! So explain to me how you going to explain between Jesus is Servant and Jesus is God. So the 14 verse is become harmony – It 7 verse servant vs. 7 verses God. It 50% 50% chance.

    I don’t think it’s 50% and 50%, I think you just made that up. Even if that’s true, the point is that you have to reconcile the verses. You don’t interpret the Quran by counting verses, nor do we with the Bible. Again, you and I have to reconcile verses that do NOT say that Jesus is not God, with verses that DO say he is God! You’re argument is very laughable. Don’t take it personal though. Also, just because God serves us doesn’t mean he’s no longer God. Could Allah serve someone if he chose to?

    Book of God shall not have any mistake especially regarding Godly Issue. That is my self creed. It shall be perfect, FIRM regarding who is God,and avoid the confusing doctrine issue. If God is confuse the define who is himself, then it not justify for myself to define him as God. – That is my opinion.

    The Muslim view of God is way more confusing than the Trinity. The Trinity means there’s eternal relationship within God. If God is a monad there is no eternal relationship. Without eternal relationship you can’t have morality or the laws of logic. Your opinion is based on nothing. You’re making a God out of your own desire which is breaking the 1st commandment. Thus, you are a sinner, and you need Jesus to forgive you, just like everyone who’s ever lived. That gospel was preached 600 years before your religion began.

    I want to ask you something, if this kind of God, do He required another kind of form to perform His Godly duty?

    That’s the wrong question. God is not required to do anything, but if it’s his will he will do it for his own good purposes. If God wants to take on additional nature, he may do so. Again, the doctrine of the incarnation does not say God stopped being God and became a man, but that he was still God and took on additional nature as a human so he could interact with us as a human because he chose to. He had a purpose behind it, and that purpose is the forgiveness of sin.

    Since Allah is all-powerful, could Allah take on additional human nature if he wanted to?

    If you say “no” then Jesus is more powerful than Allah. If you say “yes” then you can’t argue against Christianity.

    You still haven’t answered this. If you’re not going to answer then please stop responding on my blog. You’re wasting your time and my time.


  9. Hahaha.

    I answer the question in a very firm condition,
    1) Because we do not believe God in human form, so if God in human form, no creature can stand in front of Him, they will no other creature can live to talk about it.

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    Even if that’s true, the point is that you have to reconcile the verses. You don’t interpret the Quran by counting verses, nor do we with the Bible. Again, you and I have to reconcile verses that do NOT say that Jesus is not God, with verses that DO say he is God!
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    It is very fair not counting the verse. It fair if I made it up. It is fair is it was not 50%-50% chance.

    But now, the verse is there. Then how Christianity reconcile/ explain the verse to become harmony? I also need to know, may be next Sunday you can bring this question to your preacher/ Priest.

    Or someone can answer to me also?

    I am sorry, but your post is “Question for Muslim”.

    Thank you, I have answer the question very well. I should stop here.


  10. So your answer is “no”. Therefore, Yahweh is more powerful than Allah, because Yahweh can do something Allah can’t do. Thanks for answering. You just gave me a reason to not be a Muslim.

    It is very fair not counting the verse. It fair if I made it up. It is fair is it was not 50%-50% chance.

    But now, the verse is there. Then how Christianity reconcile/ explain the verse to become harmony? I also need to know, may be next Sunday you can bring this question to your preacher/ Priest.

    I already explained it. It’s been explained for 200 years prior to Islam becoming a religion! There’s a difference between “answering” and “convincing”. I’ve answered you already, but you’re still not convinced because you don’t want to be convinced. I can’t control that. Only you can.

    Again, you haven’t even begun to respond to 1/10 of my arguments. It’s probably good if you stop responding because I don’t think you’re going to sufficiently deal with my arguments.

    Grace to you in Christ.


  11. […] I have enter one good conversation regarding God between myself and one Christian. The post that he submit is “Questions for Muslims”. […]



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